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Barrie had a bad year, too. Anyone who saw the Avs in the six years he was there can plainly see that. 

I doubt, at 29 and given his playstyle, that's likely to be part of a decline. I can't say the same for Muzzin who is older and plays a game that doesn't age as well. Barrie's a better choice for No.2 RD than Muzzin is given how his team is built up-front. Our forwards need the puck and Muzzin isn't good at getting it to them.

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Yet again ignoring Muzzin's ability to get the puck to the forwards. More like you're stuck in 2004 and think a non PP specialist defensemen are all Derian Hatcher. And predictably crying about sexual

this is hockey talk morri, there wouldn't be any homos around here.  let the man speak!

You take that back right now There are not many things in the world I hate more than the sabres

Just now, 1_new_name said:

Barrie is what he is.  Last season ( in Colorado) was his outlier.  Muzzin is easily preferable. Dubas' AHL vision is garbage. Change it up a bit or gtfo.

Was it? He had 57 points in 17-18. Scored the same number of goals but had two more assists in 18-19.

Muzzin is their best defenceman hands down. Re-signing him over Barrie was an absolute no-brainer.

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1 minute ago, Morrison7 said:

Was it? He had 57 points in 17-18. Scored the same number of goals but had two more assists in 18-19.

Muzzin is their best defenceman hands down. Re-signing him over Barrie was an absolute no-brainer.

Yes it was because he was much safer in his own zone  he was a good #2 in his last season in Colorado. I wasn't talking about just points 

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Muzzin will be a significant handicap by 2022 with that contract.

Guarantee it.

But he'll make some pretty but ultimately completely inconsequential hits while he's trapped in his own zone and failing to move the puck up the ice in the mean-time and y'all will eat it up. 'Cause y'all really wish it was still 2004 and it shows.

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7 minutes ago, Я́ков Миха́йлович Юро́вски said:

Muzzin will be a significant handicap by 2022 with that contract.

Guarantee it.

But he'll make some pretty but ultimately completely inconsequential hits while he's trapped in his own zone and failing to move the puck up the ice in the mean-time and y'all will eat it up. 'Cause y'all really wish it was still 2004 and it shows.

Yes because you don't need to be physical in Hockey anymore. That and Tyson Barrie is actually Nicklas Lidstrom in disguise.

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9 minutes ago, Я́ков Миха́йлович Юро́вски said:

I really don't know how much more obvious Dubas has to make it that he's trying to recreate the late 70s/early 80s Red Army teams.

I explicitly described Barrie is "a No.2 RD".

Or is it the 80's Oilers?

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Not only that but you hold out as long as possible for a monstrous contract,  get paid as one of the highest paid players in the league even having directly comparable peers sign for much less in the same off-season, follow up with a very mediocre season by yhe standars you set, and you're rightfully going to get shit on. 

 

What's actually idiotic is negotiating two hold out contracts - one in which you publicly confirm assurances of not trading the player and the other in which you get bootfucked  by an agent and the player's father.  Keep flapping Kyle I'm sure your plan is coming together at some point.

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marner is still clueless as to why he just 'wasn't engaged' in game 1.  well, that's nice.   the child is predictably a child and hasn't realized that he is capable of making himself engaged, that he isn't beholden to the flow of the game.   

anyways, I agree with jodi.  you move kapanen & johnsson for defense first before marner.   kapanen has very high value league wide, and johnsson i'm sure could net some sort of return as well.   they both did even less than marner did this series, so it wont be much of a loss tbh come playoffs.   it may impact our regular season, but what can you do.   tbh, I think moving them this off-season is actually the correct play regardless.   i don't think their value is going to go higher, because imo they'll prove in the coming seasons that they're nothing more than 15 goal/25 assist guys most years.   

they should be able to fetch solid defenders.

 

i'm not fully in the fire dubas camp as of yet, and the criticism towards keefe is face-palm worthy, but dubas has a difficult off-season because of the contracts he chose to sign.   if he deals our first round pick in 2021, i would strongly consider firing him on the spot.   you can't continue to just operate without a first round pick and expect *any* sustained success beyond a 2-3 year window.   he has to acquire solid defenders without the use of that 1st rounder imo.

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5 minutes ago, Dog Taker said:

anyways, I agree with jodi.  you move kapanen & johnsson for defense first before marner.

Of course that's the easy out- trade the lesser players.

 However, no team has ever won anything with 4 forwards tying up 50% of a team's cap space.  They have however won cups with two great centres and a bunch of winger depth.  You move Kapanen and Johnsson and the depth is gone and the cap problems don't change. And our complaint next year will be we need forward depth. Until one of the big salaries is moved or the cap magically increases by double digit percentages, we'll never win a damn thing.  Bookmark it. 

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Just now, 1_new_name said:

Of course that's the easy out- trade the lesser players.

 However, no team has ever won anything with 4 forwards tying up 50% of a team's cap space.  They have however won cups with two great centres and a bunch of winger depth.  You move Kapanen and Johnsson and the depth is gone and the cap problems don't change. 

i agree in theory, however I think you're overlooking that our winger depth =/= cup winning winger depth.  kapanen doesn't fight for pucks.  he doesn't retrieve the puck.  and he doesn't make intelligent plays with the puck to set up control in the zone, unless he's on the break-away or is in on a rush, he isn't making good decisions, both of which mostly disappear come playoffs.   he isn't a winger that will provide great winger depth come playoffs.    his best playoffs ever, he had 2 points.   that's his best out of four playoffs.     25 games, 7 points.  

that's not actually winger depth.   that's an illusion of winger depth, and it was on full display this series, and in fact, every series he's ever been in.   

 

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5 minutes ago, Dog Taker said:

i agree in theory, however I think you're overlooking that our winger depth =/= cup winning winger depth.  kapanen doesn't fight for pucks.  he doesn't retrieve the puck.  and he doesn't make intelligent plays with the puck to set up control in the zone, unless he's on the break-away or is in on a rush, he isn't making good decisions, both of which mostly disappear come playoffs.   he isn't a winger that will provide great winger depth come playoffs.    his best playoffs ever, he had 2 points.   that's his best out of four playoffs.     25 games, 7 points.  

that's not actually winger depth.   that's an illusion of winger depth, and it was on full display this series, and in fact, every series he's ever been in.   

 

Ok, but then how's that gonna get you anything close to an impact player on the blueline?  

Don't think it does.  

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